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	<title>Comments on: Musings on the tenancy deposit protection scheme</title>
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	<description>From landlord and tenant solicitor Tessa Shepperson</description>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 23:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A recent case dealt with a landlord who had failed to protect the tenant&#039;s deposit and at the end of the tenancy had refused to return the full deposit. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Instead they (a large landlord agency) tried to justify the withholding of the deposit with dubious inventory statements that has no valid VAT or registration numbers.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In this case the tenant&#039;s were two international students who did not know until after this dilemma that their deposit had to be protected. They had only realised this after doing research on legal measures to  get back their deposit.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Now this went to court and the judge ruled in favour of the landlord because they &quot;had not had the opportunity to make it right.&quot;  Meaning the landlord was not given the 14 day opportunity to protect the deposit. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The landlord&#039;s defense was that they had not known about the deposit protection scheme, even though earlier admitting they were a large letting agency with many buildings. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The tenant&#039;s are seeking to appeal this judgment as it is, I think, unjust and unfair to allow that defense. The landlord had clearly  manipulated the situation to their benefit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A recent case dealt with a landlord who had failed to protect the tenant&#39;s deposit and at the end of the tenancy had refused to return the full deposit. </p>
<p>Instead they (a large landlord agency) tried to justify the withholding of the deposit with dubious inventory statements that has no valid VAT or registration numbers.</p>
<p>In this case the tenant&#39;s were two international students who did not know until after this dilemma that their deposit had to be protected. They had only realised this after doing research on legal measures to  get back their deposit.</p>
<p>Now this went to court and the judge ruled in favour of the landlord because they &quot;had not had the opportunity to make it right.&quot;  Meaning the landlord was not given the 14 day opportunity to protect the deposit. </p>
<p>The landlord&#39;s defense was that they had not known about the deposit protection scheme, even though earlier admitting they were a large letting agency with many buildings. </p>
<p>The tenant&#39;s are seeking to appeal this judgment as it is, I think, unjust and unfair to allow that defense. The landlord had clearly  manipulated the situation to their benefit.</p>
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		<title>By: Tessa Shepperson</title>
		<link>http://www.landlordlawblog.co.uk/2009/01/02/musings-on-the-tenancy-deposit-protection-scheme/comment-page-1/#comment-366</link>
		<dc:creator>Tessa Shepperson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 21:42:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Specifically on the service point, there are many situations where you have to prove service of a document to the court.  There are a number of ways of doing this.  Getting the tenant to sign a copy is one.  Having an independent witness is another.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If there is a situation where one party says one thing and the other party says another, then the Judge has to do what his job says and &#039;judge&#039; which one is telling the truth.  They are pretty experienced at this sort of thing and usually get it right.  But not always.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So it is best to get some proof of service if only to make it easier for the Judge to believe you.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As regards the working out of the tenancy deposit regulations, since I first wrote this post in January 2009 I have written up and commented on many more cases.  You can find them all via the tenancy deposit tag or by &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.landlordlawblog.co.uk/tag/tenancy-deposits/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;clicking here.&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Specifically on the service point, there are many situations where you have to prove service of a document to the court.  There are a number of ways of doing this.  Getting the tenant to sign a copy is one.  Having an independent witness is another.</p>
<p>If there is a situation where one party says one thing and the other party says another, then the Judge has to do what his job says and &#39;judge&#39; which one is telling the truth.  They are pretty experienced at this sort of thing and usually get it right.  But not always.</p>
<p>So it is best to get some proof of service if only to make it easier for the Judge to believe you.  </p>
<p>As regards the working out of the tenancy deposit regulations, since I first wrote this post in January 2009 I have written up and commented on many more cases.  You can find them all via the tenancy deposit tag or by <a href="http://www.landlordlawblog.co.uk/tag/tenancy-deposits/" rel="nofollow">clicking here.</a></p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 21:29:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Could I invite Tessa to comment on the last post on the article entitled - &#039;Musings on the tenancy deposit protection scheme&#039; which starts - Ah ha, an interesting debate.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It would be interesting to hear a view on the tale told in this post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Could I invite Tessa to comment on the last post on the article entitled &#8211; &#39;Musings on the tenancy deposit protection scheme&#39; which starts &#8211; Ah ha, an interesting debate.</p>
<p>It would be interesting to hear a view on the tale told in this post.</p>
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		<title>By: Tessa Shepperson</title>
		<link>http://www.landlordlawblog.co.uk/2009/01/02/musings-on-the-tenancy-deposit-protection-scheme/comment-page-1/#comment-356</link>
		<dc:creator>Tessa Shepperson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 22:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To read my more recent posts on the tenancy deposit scheme &lt;a href=&quot;http://landlordlaw.blogspot.com/search/label/tenancy%20deposits&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;click here&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To read my more recent posts on the tenancy deposit scheme <a href="http://landlordlaw.blogspot.com/search/label/tenancy%20deposits" rel="nofollow">click here</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 21:56:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah ha, an interesting debate. Can I take you all back to the legislation itself. It is worth printing it off and taking it to bed to ponder for a few nights. If everyone who dealt with these issues actually understood the legislation there would be little debate as in fact the law says what it means, albeit it in a roundabout difficult to digest fashion....I see it as a series of sticks to beat the landlord with. In reality the landlord is offered a number of opportunities to comply even if he/she has missed the initial 14 days as this period is purposefully extracted from any penalty. The reason sensible Judges who understand the legislation do not have difficulty with knowing when to impose the 3x penalty is because they are led all the way in the construction of the legislation. That is, you have to be a very bad wicked landlord who has repeatedly failed even when asked to protect the deposit and even when court proceedings are in place before conditions to prompt the penalty become due.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Draconian is one word for it - harsh is another but what you have to realise is there are clever stages to it. The only thing I can see that the draughtsman did not properly allow for is this - how does one prove, in a court of law, exactly what prescribed information was actually given to the tenant unless CCTV cameras film the whole event. Sending by signed for mail only proves a document was sent, not its contents, hand delivering makes no difference....until the government make it a requirement for tenants to acknowledge receipt the legislation can be cleverly manipulated by a tenant who want to create  a situation where their landlord is &#039;in breach&#039; of some aspect of the initial requirements or prescribed info thus throwing doubt on a well-intended action. So my advice to landlords is to be ABSOLUTELY PARANOID. Photograph the contents of your envelope, include a copy of the photo in what you send and hand deliver and request an itemised written  receipt. Even if you have not met the 14 day initial requirement, cover your tracks and be vigilant.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I know because I just won a case against tenants who set a sophisticated and unbelievable trap having realised for a variety of reasons that the deposit was deposited late...thing was we realsied too it had been mistakenly overlooked, nothing sinister - why would you want to be in breach of this little number-&lt;br /&gt;they took action AFTER it was deposited and papers issued which they claimed they did not &#039;receive&#039;. Our papertrail was tighter and the Judge sensible enough to see the spirit of the law was adhered to. We were many miles away from a penalty and the legislation wording, once you have your head round it, explains just that.&lt;br /&gt;Some accountability from the tenant is what is needed. It is wrong wrong wrong to assume all landlords are bad and all tenants good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah ha, an interesting debate. Can I take you all back to the legislation itself. It is worth printing it off and taking it to bed to ponder for a few nights. If everyone who dealt with these issues actually understood the legislation there would be little debate as in fact the law says what it means, albeit it in a roundabout difficult to digest fashion&#8230;.I see it as a series of sticks to beat the landlord with. In reality the landlord is offered a number of opportunities to comply even if he/she has missed the initial 14 days as this period is purposefully extracted from any penalty. The reason sensible Judges who understand the legislation do not have difficulty with knowing when to impose the 3x penalty is because they are led all the way in the construction of the legislation. That is, you have to be a very bad wicked landlord who has repeatedly failed even when asked to protect the deposit and even when court proceedings are in place before conditions to prompt the penalty become due.</p>
<p>Draconian is one word for it &#8211; harsh is another but what you have to realise is there are clever stages to it. The only thing I can see that the draughtsman did not properly allow for is this &#8211; how does one prove, in a court of law, exactly what prescribed information was actually given to the tenant unless CCTV cameras film the whole event. Sending by signed for mail only proves a document was sent, not its contents, hand delivering makes no difference&#8230;.until the government make it a requirement for tenants to acknowledge receipt the legislation can be cleverly manipulated by a tenant who want to create  a situation where their landlord is &#39;in breach&#39; of some aspect of the initial requirements or prescribed info thus throwing doubt on a well-intended action. So my advice to landlords is to be ABSOLUTELY PARANOID. Photograph the contents of your envelope, include a copy of the photo in what you send and hand deliver and request an itemised written  receipt. Even if you have not met the 14 day initial requirement, cover your tracks and be vigilant.</p>
<p>I know because I just won a case against tenants who set a sophisticated and unbelievable trap having realised for a variety of reasons that the deposit was deposited late&#8230;thing was we realsied too it had been mistakenly overlooked, nothing sinister &#8211; why would you want to be in breach of this little number-<br />they took action AFTER it was deposited and papers issued which they claimed they did not &#39;receive&#39;. Our papertrail was tighter and the Judge sensible enough to see the spirit of the law was adhered to. We were many miles away from a penalty and the legislation wording, once you have your head round it, explains just that.<br />Some accountability from the tenant is what is needed. It is wrong wrong wrong to assume all landlords are bad and all tenants good.</p>
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