Here is a question to the blog clinic from Andrew who is an overseas landlord.
I have had a tenant with no written or otherwise agreement living in my house for the last 20 years.
I would now like to sell my property but without her knowledge and would like her to remain in the property indefinitely. The local council pay her rent which is maybe 2/3 if the market value and presume they will carry on doing so to the new owner of the property if I manage to sell.
I do not want her to be aware that the property is for sale and therefore can not have an internal inspection done.
How do I get a valuation on the house so that I am aware as to its value?
Is it possible to sell without any inspection and without her knowledge and if so to whom?I am overseas and am finding it frustratingly difficult to work out how to do this but I am very keen on selling . I am really hoping you are going to be able to advise me.
Many thanks
Answer
I have some good news and some bad news for you.
The good news is that there is no reason why you cannot sell your property with the tenant in situ – this is often done and there is nothing the tenant can do to prevent it. Their rights will be unaffected and they will be able to enforce their obligations under the tenancy against the new owner in the same way that they can against you (indeed in some respects their rights will be stronger).
The bad news is that
- There is no way that, long term, you will be able to prevent the tenant knowing that the property has been sold, and
- if you want to sell without the buyer being entitled to an internal inspection the price you are likely to achieve will almost certainly be less than the true market value
If your tenant first moved in before 1997 with no paperwork, then she will almost certainly have an assured rather than an assured shorthold tenancy. So unless she does something stupid like going into serious rent arrears, the landlord cannot normally evict her – not without a court claim which the tenant would be entitled to challenge.
So your tenant has a good chance of being entitled to remain in the property long term.
However, she is bound to find out about the sale after it has taken place as the new landlord will need to notify her of the new arrangements for payment of rent. So you will only be able to keep the sale secret from the tenant (if indeed you are able to do this) before it takes place.
After the sale is completed you will no longer have any say in the matter.
For example it is perfectly possible that the new landlord will want to move the tenant to another property – which they are normally able to do so long as the property they want to move the tenant to is ‘suitable alternative accommodation’. Whether it is or not will depend on the circumstances of the case and there is a long string of case law on this.
The new landlord will also be entitled to raise the rent up to the market value. This would put the tenant in difficulties if she is only able to afford the benefit paid by the Council.
If the property is valued on an external examination only then it will be impossible for a proper valuation to be made as there could be issues which affect the property which can only be discovered by doing an internal inspection. So anyone buying the property will be taking a chance.
There are companies which will buy property quickly without carrying out inspections but this is always on the basis that the property is sold at substantially below market value. For example >> this company will guarantee to buy your property within 14 days BUT at considerably reduced price. They may be willing to do this without an internal inspection so I you may want to contact them.
You may also be able to get some practical guidance on selling a property with a tenant in situ (and maybe even find a buyer) via the landlords forum Property Tribes.
Hi, I am on the other side in that I am buying a property with a tenant in there who has been in for a couple of years. I have been told now by several firms that I will not be able to serve notice for another 6 months under section 21 as once the landlord has changed they must be allowed to remain for 6 months but no-one can quote the law which says this to be the case. Is this fact or fiction?
Thanks
Sounds like fiction to me. The change of landlord should not affect the tenants rights at all (other than by the fact that some of the grounds for possession will not be available to the landlord.
Thanks for your response Tessa. The completion for this purchase is next week, the previous landlord served a S21 expiring last year, can I still start a claim with that notice (cause he was the landlord at the time) or do I need to serve a new one.
Years of buying property but an answer to this one always escapes me, so hopefully you will be able to shed light finally!
You can use it – but if the tenant claims they have never had it you may have problems proving service (and if you can’t prove service you will lose your case). Which is why it is often better to serve the notice yourself.
Why would you not want your tenant to know you are selling? The only reason I can think of is that you may be concerned they will vacate in fear of losing their home, possibly leaving you with a void property if it does not sell quickly.
You are likely to get a higher price with vacant possession and this should off-set the lost rent if the tenant left. This is especially true if the tenant has an assured tenancy as the tenanted value of the property will be significantly lower than the vacant possession value.
Jamie, good point. But you think an assured tenant (with all the rights that brings) wd just move on at the hint of a sale? Seems unlikely. .
My first thought is that the seller doesn’t want the tenant to be distressed, or perhaps wants to avoid the tenant being angry at him for selling. Maybe the tenant is emotionally volatile and the seller is hoping she can carry on as normal without realising anything has changed. I wouldn’t be surprised if they are related or otherwise connected. Maybe the seller is receiving tenant’s housing benefit directly from the council and believes (incorrectly) that the council would be willing and able to start paying the new landlord without the tenant knowing there had been a change.
However, as Tessa said, there is no reasonable way to do this without the tenant knowing, and no way for the seller to limit what the buyer can do after the sale is finished.
I wish we could hear the seller’s reasons.