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Should solicitors be able to work in ‘non regulated’ Law Firms?

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March 26, 2018 by Tessa Shepperson

solicitorsI was listening the other night on iPlayer to ‘Law in Action’ and was very interested to hear a discussion (which starts about 13 minutes into the program) between Paul Philip, CE of the Solicitors Regulation Authority (SRA) and Simon Davis from the Law Society, about a proposed relaxation of the solicitors rules

(Sounds boring I know, but read on …).

The proposal (proposed by the SRA and opposed by the Law Society) is to allow solicitors to give legal advice to the public via ‘non regulated firms’ ie firms which are not solicitors practices.

Such as, for instance, Landlord Law.

The legal profession, on the whole, tends to be opposed to change and newfanged ways of working. The main reason for the Law Society (so they claim) objecting to this rule change though, is because they consider it to be against the public interest.

For example (they say), clients getting advice via a non regulated firm will not be able to claim under the same extensive insurance which solicitors are obliged take out as a condition of being in practice, or take their complaints to the Legal Ombudsman in the same way that they can when using a ‘proper’ solicitors firm.

Of course, this misses the point that most people, unless they are very rich, or poor enough to qualify for legal aid (in the few areas where legal aid is still available) can’t use solicitors anyway because they can’t afford them.

So for them the options tend to be either using a cheaper non regulated firm (such as mine – where they exist) or getting advice from the bloke down the pub. Who has no insurance cover at all.

My position on this

I am very much with the SRA on this. I think changing the rules would be an excellent idea. For a start, it would allow me to apply to go back on the solicitors ‘roll’ AND carry on giving telephone advice to clients without risk of prosecution. I kid you not.

When I closed down my solicitor’s practice in 2013 I was flabbergasted to learn that if I carried on giving any kind of legal advice or service it was illegal and I could technically be prosecuted.

Reserved Activities

There are some areas of work, described as ‘reserved activities, which are reserved for solicitors and other qualified legal professionals. These are:

  • Conducting litigation on behalf of someone else and representing them in Court (although you can always represent yourself as a litigant in person)
  • Drafting conveyances and other ‘documents of title’
  • Applying for a grant of probate for a client
  • Acting as a notary, or
  • Taking oaths and affidavits

However, even if you don’t do any reserved activities – under the solicitor’s rules, you can’t do ANY sort of legal work if you are a solicitor ‘on the roll’ other than through a regulated firm of solicitors.

So in order to be able to do the odd telephone advice for clients, I had to come off the roll and am not allowed to call myself a solicitor anymore.

It also means that if a firm wants to provide any form of legal service to the public which is not provided through a regulated firm of solicitors (which you are perfectly entitled to do so long as it does not involve reserved activitywork) the only people who CAN’T work there are solicitors.

Which is madness!

The future of the legal profession

The internet and technology are changing everything. The Law has been slow to change but change it will have to do over the next 20 years or so. People are just not prepared to put up with the old inefficiencies and expensive and time-consuming ways of doing things.

Not if there are quicker and cheaper alternatives.

If you read ‘The Future of the Professions’ by Richard Susskind and Daniel Susskind you will see that it is highly likely that in the future, legal services will be provided by all sorts of organisations many of which will come from outside the profession.

It is insane to have a rule which actually forbids solicitors from working for these firms. These are the very firms where solicitors should work!

My view is that the SRA right and that the rules should and indeed must be changed if the solicitors profession is not to become irrelevant.

Young lawyers prospects

For example, why should a young person go through all the time-consuming business and expense of qualifying as a solicitor – only to be told, if they decide to work for an innovative company such as mine, that they will have to come off the roll or risk prosecution?

Indeed the prospects for young people are greatly reduced I understand in traditional practices, and fewer trainees are being employed.

A large part of future legal services will be outside traditional firms. If the profession of ‘solicitor’ is to survive it is essential that solicitors are able to work in these organisations and retain their professional title and status. For example, surely we could regulate the solicitor rather than the firm?

Note by the way, that it is all right for a solicitor to work as an ‘in-house’ lawyer providing advice to their employer – it is providing services to the public via a non regulated firm which is forbidden.

In conclusion

My service, Landlord Law is a different type of legal service. It is a ‘one to many’ service where people who don’t want the expense and bother of instructing traditional solicitors can obtain legal guidance and documentation online at modest cost.

It has its feet in the future and not in the past and is constantly evolving (indeed we are working on a major upgrade right now). It is one example of the sort of thing that Susskind was talking about in his book.

However, I have bad news for the Law Society. Most people seem to care not one iota that I am not longer a regulated solicitor. They are just pleased to find a service which is reliable and which they can afford.

I would also like to point out that although unregulated I have professional indemnity insurance, have joined a redress scheme for clients to complain to (not that they have) and take a great deal of trouble over customer service.  Something some regulated solicitors firms (despite what they say) are very bad at.

There is no ‘magic’ about being a regulated firm which ensures that you provide a good service or value for money.

I tend to agree that the reserved activity work should be reserved for regulated firms, but I hope that the solicitors’ practice rule is in due course amended for non-reserved activity work.  After which I may decide to go back on the roll again and apply for a practising certificate.

Although this is by no means certain – as I have actually (and to my surprise) got on very well without one.

Which is something which should worry the both SRA and the Law Society.

But what do YOU think about it?

What do you look for in a legal service and do you think that solicitors firms are the only organisations able to provide it?  Put your comments below (or if you are reading this via email, click the link and add them online).

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  1. Ben Reeve-Lewis says

    March 26, 2018 at 10:19 am

    I have to say I wasnt aware of those restrictions Tessa and I wholeheartedly agree with you.

    Conversely, I have spent my working life doling out legal advice, defending cases in court and working up cases for criminal prosecution and my sole qualification is a driving licence. I have the backing of the local authorities who charge me to do the work however.

    Whilst I do, after 28 years count myself knowledgeable and experienced I cant say the same for many colleagues of mine, put in the invidious position of performing the same tasks with scant legal knowledge and it has to be said, was in the same position when I started off in 1990, being the go-to mouthpiece of the council whilst trying to figure out what the hell was going on.

    It is, as you say madness for qualified solicitors not to be allowed to work in unregulated firms when totally unqualified people can represent local authorities in legal matters

    • Tessa Shepperson says

      March 26, 2018 at 11:34 am

      Mind you, I don’t have a driving license …

  2. hbWelcome says

    March 26, 2018 at 12:40 pm

    “The legal profession, on the whole, tends to be opposed to change and *newfanged* ways of working.”

    Freudian slip Tessa?
    As any bloodsucking vampire knows, the old fangs are the best.

    • Tessa Shepperson says

      March 26, 2018 at 12:55 pm

      I wouldn’t know, I’m not a blood-sucking vampire.

      • hbWelcome says

        March 26, 2018 at 1:06 pm

        Perish the thought!
        The legal profession does have a certain reputation though (unlike landlords who are all paragons of virtue).

        • Tessa Shepperson says

          March 26, 2018 at 1:16 pm

          Being serious for a moment, solicitors do have a strict code of conduct which they have to abide by, if they don’t they can be reported to the Solicitors Disciplinary Committee and be ‘struck off’. Which would probably mean that they would lose their job and be unemployable in future in the legal profession. There is a big difference between voluntarily coming off the roll (as I did) and being struck off for misconduct.

          On the whole, solicitors are pretty decent people, most of the solicitors I have known have been OK. You get bad eggs in all professions (landlords?).

          • hbWelcome says

            March 26, 2018 at 1:45 pm

            Fully agree.
            I’ve reported solicitors to the SRA on a couple of occasions and their response has been outstanding.
            If anyone is interested, they can report or check a law firm or solicitor’s record here;

            http://www.sra.org.uk/home/home.page

  3. Peter Jackson says

    March 26, 2018 at 9:07 pm

    Given that being a “solicitor” doesn’t guarantee a good service or up to date knowledge of the law I tend to agree with the idea.

  4. Nick Parkin says

    March 27, 2018 at 4:40 am

    Without doubt the cost of “the law” is ridiculous and whilst I agree with everything that the article says, and particularly admire the thoughts on the use of technology, I can’t help feeling that the problem isn’t just the solicitors but is fundamental to the law itself. Any system where the guidance can be reinterpreted to reverse the rules overnight has to be flawed. Any system which requires the employment of experts in order for the common man to operate it successfully has to be flawed. Living a legal life shouldn’t have to be rocket science.

    If the law were transparent, fair, and logical it ought to be possible to write an algorithm which gave the answer to every legal question. We could Google to tell us what to do (well done Landlord Law for getting there before Google) and parties could Google instead of going to court.

    • Tessa Shepperson says

      March 27, 2018 at 8:57 am

      Its more difficult than you would imagine to write a law which is fair to both sides, impossible to misinterpret and aligns with other laws. You try it.

      This is the problem. I agree our lawmakers seem to be doing a particularly poor job of it just now, though.

      I think we would need to be considerably further on with technology development to trust decision making to machines although I know experiments have been made. A machine is not really accountable in the same way that a Judge is and unfair biases can creep into algorithms without people being aware of them.

      • Peter Jackson says

        March 27, 2018 at 6:56 pm

        I find modern laws tend to be easier to understand that old ones, but I mostly look at tax laws and they seem to have moved towards giving an algorithm for how to calculate the tax. That doesn’t mean that the consequences are easily understood.

        Of course, per Godel, if the law were “logical” it would necessarily be either incomplete. or inconsistant. It would still not be possible to create an algorithm that could answer every legal question. You could make one that could answer a very high proportion, but not all.

  5. Lewis says

    March 27, 2018 at 11:48 am

    You make the legal profession sound like London cab drivers. Are they just worried some tech company will get in on there game and do a better job for half the price?

  6. Ben Reeve-Lewis says

    March 28, 2018 at 8:25 am

    As a non lawyer working with law I feel the frustration as well and as a trainer of housing law for other non lawyers I often feel more of a translator than anything else, constantly looking to take arcane language and pick out the point that people need to grasp in order to do the work.

    But, every now and again, when I’m struggling to understand the logic, reading and re-reading the same paragraph 15 times waiting for the penny to drop I actually get why the fine distinction of a point is so important.

    There is a famous quote from I think Lord Denning, about the difference between a lawyer’s mind that an ordinary person “A lay person would say ‘Look at those brown cows on the hill’, while a lawyer would say ‘There are some cows on that hill that appear to be brown, at least on this facing side”.

    I kind of like the caution and specificity of that mindset. I just wish more lawyers could write and explain things in ordinary terms, leaving all the Latin and French bits for chats between themselves. Why use “De Minimis” when you can just say “Trivial matters”?

    That is why Tessa is so rare. A lawyer who can explain things to non lawyers

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